1w
Our 1913 Model 38 out and about
Happy to see this group back online! Here are a couple of pictures of our Model 38 Touring. Great car, love driving it.
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· 1w
Excellent Tom! Have you done any tours with it? We need to setup the Loco tour one of these years.
· 1w
Tom, I've seen several photos you've shared of your Loco online. Very handsome and I hope to see it in person someday.
· 1w
· 1w
I love how they called it the “little six”. Sure, it’s not a ‘48’, but with 65hp, it moves along just fine. And it weighs less too!
· 6d
We need a full driving report!
· 1w
I'd be interested in seeing production numbers of the model 38 vice 48. I believe the 38 was only offered for half of the years that a 48 could be purchased. Maybe Dan @prewarnut some numbers on this from his research.
· 1w
Ohh boy, a math assignment....*grin*
I'll have to see if I have a way to easily get proportions, at least for the years both were offered. I just took a cursory look at the list. I have the feeling the split is going to be within 60-40 but not sure I know which will be 60.
I'll have to see if I have a way to easily get proportions, at least for the years both were offered. I just took a cursory look at the list. I have the feeling the split is going to be within 60-40 but not sure I know which will be 60.
· 2d
John, Hi I have found that from where the model or hp size was called-out on registrations and attempting to chiefly look at the years both were available, the model 48 versus 38 is almost 50-50. The numbers look like 53%-47%. There are a respectable number of 38s made.
· 2d
Very interesting. What was the price differential?
Isn't the 38 just a destroked version of the 48?
Isn't the 38 just a destroked version of the 48?
· 1d
AJ, Hi the engines were different on bore and stroke:
48 (M): 4 1/2 x 5 1/2" respectively
38 (R): 4 1/4 x 5"
Here's two dynos of them from 1911. The 48 has immediate and stable low end torque. The 38 looks to need to get up a little speed first. Both improved over time and at this time well exceeded the "38" and "48" hp ratings which were ALAM ratings. As far as chassis prices, it depended on the year. I don't immediately recall but I think they were at least $500. to $1000. different. That said, there's a good number of limousines and landaulet's on the 38 chassis. I think the extra 3 inch wheelbase wasn't too material and either saving money on the cheaper chassis so as to spend more on custom coachwork and/or to allow heavier coachwork on a slightly lighter chassis was probably done on purpose. The V.P. of Locomobile had a custom retractable roof/convertible limousine on a 38 chassis so the 38s were always considered very respectable. Then again, President S. T. Davis had a 48 (and 38) so maybe Vice President Roache was being tactical.😄
48 (M): 4 1/2 x 5 1/2" respectively
38 (R): 4 1/4 x 5"
Here's two dynos of them from 1911. The 48 has immediate and stable low end torque. The 38 looks to need to get up a little speed first. Both improved over time and at this time well exceeded the "38" and "48" hp ratings which were ALAM ratings. As far as chassis prices, it depended on the year. I don't immediately recall but I think they were at least $500. to $1000. different. That said, there's a good number of limousines and landaulet's on the 38 chassis. I think the extra 3 inch wheelbase wasn't too material and either saving money on the cheaper chassis so as to spend more on custom coachwork and/or to allow heavier coachwork on a slightly lighter chassis was probably done on purpose. The V.P. of Locomobile had a custom retractable roof/convertible limousine on a 38 chassis so the 38s were always considered very respectable. Then again, President S. T. Davis had a 48 (and 38) so maybe Vice President Roache was being tactical.😄
· 1d
So the wheelbase difference between the two models is only 3"? Interesting. Would love to understand how auto makers in that era looked at the market and decided to to divide their models. For Loco the two seem awfully similar in so many ways.
· 23h
I’ll agree with the assesment that the 38 “needs to get up a little speed first” — it’s not a “quick” car, but it drives easily around 40-45, and we’ve had it up around 55 a few times. I tend not to drive brass cars faster than that — (two wheel brakes, 100+ year old steel, etc). The car has lots of power, and is a bit smaller than the larger car, so it performs well. I’ve always seen numbers around 65hp & 82hp respectively for the two models.
As for quantity, production may be have been close to 50/50, but there appear to be far more 48s and fewer 38s out there today. That said — there are two 38s here in Southeast PA, and we were both on the recent Hershey Hangover tour.
As for quantity, production may be have been close to 50/50, but there appear to be far more 48s and fewer 38s out there today. That said — there are two 38s here in Southeast PA, and we were both on the recent Hershey Hangover tour.
· 1w
· 21h
I’m probably over obsessed on the aesthetics of cars, and Tom that dark green color on a big brass platform just hits it out of the park. If you have any favorite pictures of the car on the Hershey hangover tour, don’t hesitate to share them with us.
· 1h
Here are a couple of pictures from the recent Hangover when parked next to a 1912 Model 48. It’s interesting to compare the differences when they are side by side
· 41m
Those are great photos, thank you for sharing. I know the wheelbase is only marginally different, 3 inches? Are the cabin portions and body height identical/similar between the two?