Nice idea John,  I'm not sure we have a "Winton Guy" on the forum but maybe this will attract one?

I think by 1922 they must have been almost done?

I think you are right about year. They list up to 1924.....  and as other makes that were huge, they were starting to get smaller.
 

as for a Winton guy on the forum, there is one, I’ll reach out and see if he has interest in “pontificating”

So I've been doing a little more research into Winton.  A fascinating story and it impresses me how successful they were in those early years of the start of automobile production.  A Cleveland Ohio Manufacturer, Winton, like others, segued from bicycle production into cars.  Winton claimed to have produced over 100 vehicles in 1899 making it the highest production auto manufacturing company in the US.  In addition to James Packard, the Vanderbilt family were early owners as well, buying two in 1901.  In 1902 Winton produced the Winton Bullet (of which there were eventually three made) and set an unofficial land speed record in the US of 70 mph in Cleveland that year.  

Winton Bullet #1 at Smithsonian Museum

There is an 1899 and a 1901 Winton in the Larz Anderson Auto Museum collection, in Brookline, Ma.

Hope this helps. 

Tom

John BloomJan 29, 2024

So I've been doing a little more research into Winton.  A fascinating story and it impresses me how successful they were in those early years of the start of automobile production.  A Cleveland Ohio Manufacturer, Winton, like others, segued from bicycle production into cars.  Winton claimed to have produced over 100 vehicles in 1899 making it the highest production auto manufacturing company in the US.  In addition to James Packard, the Vanderbilt family were early owners as well, buying two in 1901.  In 1902 Winton produced the Winton Bullet (of which there were eventually three made) and set an unofficial land speed record in the US of 70 mph in Cleveland that year.  

Winton Bullet #1 at Smithsonian Museum

That is so beautiful. It would be nice it if could be displayed. Hey, Steve M, we need this for the AACA Headquarters lobby, stat!!

In regard to Winton, I have this set of Minnesota license plates that were registered to a 1922 Winton. The 1927 plate actually has hand-written on it "Winton," along with the Doctor's name. I also have some of the original envelopes with name and address, as several of them were never used/installed (especially during the war years). I do not know if the later plates were registered to the Winton. I don't know if it was common to transfer tags from one car to another during that period. Possible, though, especially since the owner may have been proud of the low number. Perhaps as a dig on Winton, for helping Packard get started in the industry (Mr. Packard, if you think you can build a better car, then go ahead!), I put one on our 1930 Packard Speedster.

West PetersonJan 29, 2024

In regard to Winton, I have this set of Minnesota license plates that were registered to a 1922 Winton. The 1927 plate actually has hand-written on it "Winton," along with the Doctor's name. I also have some of the original envelopes with name and address, as several of them were never used/installed (especially during the war years). I do not know if the later plates were registered to the Winton. I don't know if it was common to transfer tags from one car to another during that period. Possible, though, especially since the owner may have been proud of the low number.

That is very cool West. I love a good license plate display.  Hopefully some more information will come out about these great cars.   As for Steve getting a Bullet for the AACA building, they made three. Not sure where they all ended up. 
 

any idea if the Winton that those plates were registered to, the doctors car, is still around?

I was hoping the Winton stuck in the basement of the Smithsonian could be moved over to the AACA headquarters.

In regard to the whereabouts of the Winton these plates belonged to, I don't think I have a serial number of the car.

I don't know if Bernie Golias still frequents the AACA forum or not, but he used to. He is a Winton expert, and could certainly provide a lot of knowledge for this thread.

West PetersonJan 29, 2024

In regard to Winton, I have this set of Minnesota license plates that were registered to a 1922 Winton. The 1927 plate actually has hand-written on it "Winton," along with the Doctor's name. I also have some of the original envelopes with name and address, as several of them were never used/installed (especially during the war years). I do not know if the later plates were registered to the Winton. I don't know if it was common to transfer tags from one car to another during that period. Possible, though, especially since the owner may have been proud of the low number. Perhaps as a dig on Winton, for helping Packard get started in the industry (Mr. Packard, if you think you can build a better car, then go ahead!), I put one on our 1930 Packard Speedster.

Nice subtle irony with the Winton plate on your Speedster. I suppose the Packard family could circle back to Alexander Winton (were he still living in 1930), and say “let us present exhibit A to your challenge some 30 years ago”

that Speedster is “Special”.  Share pics often with us!

I always wanted a pre 1919 Winton, they are great cars, but can pose some challenges with castings on certain models. Underrated cars that should be looked at for any collector. 

Here is a nice 1916 Winton in the Harvey G. Harper collection in Eureka, CA.  They had it out last year for the Rhododendron parade, so I know it runs.  Not sure I like the color scheme, but a beautiful car just the same.  

charlespettyFeb 2, 2024

Here is a nice 1916 Winton in the Harvey G. Harper collection in Eureka, CA.  They had it out last year for the Rhododendron parade, so I know it runs.  Not sure I like the color scheme, but a beautiful car just the same.  

Interesting car. It looks like in 1916 they offered a 138 in WB with a 524 cubic inch 6 and a 128 in WB with a 348 cubic inch 6. 
 

price ranges were 3,500-4,600 for the larger models and 2,200-3,500 for the smaller offerings. 
 

they seem to be a well engineered big platform. I’d be curious to see what the annual output/production of cars Winton was building in those years. 

John BloomFeb 2, 2024

I’d be curious to see what the annual output/production of cars Winton was building in those years. 

2,458 in 1916

West PetersonFeb 3, 2024

2,458 in 1916

Five times more than I would have guessed.......

edinmassFeb 3, 2024

Five times more than I would have guessed.......

Me too.  That would be almost consistently 10 cars a day out the chute to be sold in a 5 day work week All year long with virtually no slowdown or stoppage.  I'm interested in how that yearly production number compared to Pierce Arrow, Locomobile, McFarlan, Cunningham, Other US Makes with large WB platforms and large Displacement engines in those years. 

Where are all those Wintons.....?  I wonder about their survival rate compared to the peers they had in 1916?

edinmassFeb 3, 2024

Five times more than I would have guessed.......

It was their best year ever. While they survived the war, their business went down hill very quickly after the war.

John BloomFeb 3, 2024

Where are all those Wintons.

Most likely scrapped. Once orphan cars become obsolete and their parent company goes bankrupt and out of business then parts for repair are non existent. Just to take the time in that era to locate needed parts became a chore very quickly so the car itself then was not worth the effort to keep it going. I have only viewed a few in person over the decades and they were indeed grand automobiles.

On the Dennis the Menace tv show there was a Winton in the episode Horseless Carriage Club. 

vintage1Feb 5, 2024

On the Dennis the Menace tv show there was a Winton in the episode Horseless Carriage Club. 

Great find.  The car figures prominently in the show, lots of footage of it.  A great looking ride.  makes me want one.  

Truthfully, I'd forgotten about Dennis the Menace.  You have to wonder how this episode came into existence (writer or director was a fan???), and I wonder if the car is still with us.  It looks nice and you'd hope it has been kept in a collection somewhere.  

I believe the 1912 Winton in the "Dennis the Menace" was owned by a HCCA member back then. He sold the car in the 1970s or early 1980s to Phil Reed of Los Angeles (Whittier?). Reed drove the car until he was around 90-100 years old and he died around 2018. Reed was very important and involved in the HCCA. He had been national HCCA president as well. 

Some Wintons in a collection in WA.

Craig

When I was at the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in 2007, a 1918 was near completion in their restoration bays. The engine was a symphony of polished brass, bronze, and copper. Here's a good shot of the engine compartment, Wayne Shultz narrating:

https://www.google.com/search?q=1918+Winton+at+Reynolds-Alberta+Museum&rlz=1CAQRFK_enUS752US752&oq=1918+Winton+at+Reynolds-Alberta+Museum&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l3.18873j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:5d09c830,vid:1VPLQZ4I5mc,st:0

jeff_aApr 26, 2024

When I was at the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in 2007, a 1918 was near completion in their restoration bays. The engine was a symphony of polished brass, bronze, and copper. Here's a good shot of the engine compartment, Wayne Shultz narrating:

https://www.google.com/search?q=1918+Winton+at+Reynolds-Alberta+Museum&rlz=1CAQRFK_enUS752US752&oq=1918+Winton+at+Reynolds-Alberta+Museum&aqs=chrome..69i57j33i160l3.18873j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:5d09c830,vid:1VPLQZ4I5mc,st:0

That is one beautiful engine. That Winton reminds me of the Locomobile Sportif of that era. 
 

I saw a nice 1917 Winton for sale on PreWarCars recently. No idea where it was located or the price. Could almost be the one on the Dennis The Menace episode, though wrong year. Bernie Golias would know about this one, probably.

Everybody's been to the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin I mentioned in my last post, right?. If not, they're just on the fringes of antique car collecting.  

Centrally located, halfway between the Fountainhead Museum and the Gilmore Car Museum, and right on the same four-lane highway(I-15) that goes through Las Vegas ( just 1,427 miles north ). 

Seriously, Stan Reynolds had a huge car collection, perhaps a thousand vehicles, and he set about preserving much of it much more successfully than a lot of collectors. He went to the government and said why don't you give me 20 million and build a state of the art museum and I'll give you your choice of my cars (and trucks and tractors and aircraft)...then the province of Alberta will have a visitor attraction between its two largest cities and the bulk of my collection won't disappear when I die.* Like lots of the Bill Harrah Collection; the 140-car Mullin Automotive Museum; the Tupelo, Mississippi collection of Frank Spain's; and the Hostetler Hudson collection in Indiana.

* I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it. The province was flying high in petro-dollars and the money was there.

jeff_aApr 26, 2024

* I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it. The province was flying high in petro-dollars and the money was there.

A significant amount of Alberta Lottery proceeds funded it, also. (Which is fine with me, even though I don't gamble.)

Craig

I'll try to find a picture of the place, opened in 1992.

A 100,000 sq. ft. exhibition hall, a 110,000 sq. ft. vehicle storage building, and a 15,000 sq. ft. aircraft display building. 537 cars, trucks, and motorcycles in the collection.

Only a fraction of the vehicles(<100) are on public display in the main building -- the vehicle storage building assets are used to rotate exhibits -- and has about a 100-year supply of vehicles for future restoration. Those in storage aren't accessible to the public, except for private tours. There's a library, a theatre, a restoration shop, & a diner in the exhibit hall. 

     "The museum's resource centre contains the largest publicly accessible collection of trade literature in North America, containing more than 70,000 items including service manuals, parts catalogues, technical leaflets, periodicals, and books."

 view of Reynolds-Alberta Museum 

.

.........Inside the Vehicle Storage Building of the Reynolds-Alberta Museum.

.........Another view of their 1918 Winton:

Possibly I missed this in the previous postings, but a 1903 Winton was the first car to cross the United States from coast to coast in that same year. A fascinating story related in the book, Horatio's Drive, named for the man who funded the trip on a $50 bet he had made. His hired mechanic told him to buy a Winton; so he did and off they went with their mascot dog. The Winton factory didn't even know about the trip until Nelson wired them from Chicago that he planned to stop at the Cleveland factory to pick up some parts.  A book definitely worth reading for the history of the crossing and of the Winton automobile.

A 1904 Winton stars in the 1960 movie, The Reivers, along with a young Steve McQueen. The preview shows the car covered in mud, along with Steve McQueen, as it is pulled from a mud hole.

Attached photos are of Horatio Nelson on his cross country trip; his car on display in the National  Museum of American History; and the 1904 Winton from the movie on display at Stahl's Automotive Collection.  Here is a link to the preview of The Reivers.

John, thanks for launching this thread of long overlooked history.  Bringing the done to death Packard connection full circle,  in 1936, the first production E Series Diesel-electric locomotives crawled from

Su8overdriveJul 20, 2024

John, thanks for launching this thread of long overlooked history.  Bringing the done to death Packard connection full circle,  in 1936, the first production E Series Diesel-electric locomotives crawled from

General Motors Electro-Motive Division's new La Grange, Illinois factory.  Established in 1922 to design and market gasoline-electric locomotives, Electro-Motive sold 500 in its first decade. GM bought E-M in 1930. Each new E Series locomotive was powered by a pair of 900-hp Winton V-12 Diesels, GM having bought E-M's supplier, Winton Engine Company, Cleveland, Ohio --an automaker from 1898-1924 -- in 1924.

Also in 1930, GM bought Packard Electric Company, Warren, Ohio, the original firm of Alexander Winton's nemesis, as a source of automotive ignition wire and equipment surviving to this day.

 

 Perhaps if WInton had been guided by former Hudson and cash register executives as Packard was since the early teens, who knew how to  milk tooling, retain wider profit margins, they'd have been more successful, stayed longer at the automotive table.

 

 The photos 8E45E shares underscore the genuine color so many vintage cars came in,  this distinction muddled with the woefully inaccurate circus wagons usually seen.

They seem to be underrepresented in areas I read and haunt relative to their production numbers. I know of a fabulous one close to me. I’ll let the owner jump in and share more if he wants to. 
 

big powerful iron for that era. Success in the car business back then had many variables.  
 

I hope those with first hand Winton experience will jump on here and share with us. 
 

Very interesting thread. My brother and I own 2 of the cars shown in this thread, a 1917 and 1921 (the Scottsdale car ended up being a ‘21) not a ‘22 as described. They are fabulous cars well ahead of their time. We have been trying research where more of the cars are located. Bernie has a lot of history on them. Hearing that only about 115 are left??

Stephen, thanks for jumping in on this thread and I hope you will share more about your two Wintons. It will be great if this thread helps you to contact and meet other Winton owners.   I’ve had limited exposure to one that a friend owns, and I am impressed!

I was thrilled to see a current thread on the Winton cars. I sent this thread to my brother hoping he will jump on, too. We are certainly looking to connect with other Winton owners. That maroon 1917 pictured in this thread has air shocks that raise or lowers I’m guessing to adjust to the rough roads. Plus the on board air compressor put on these cars really stands out. Is there anything in particular you’d like to know?

They were pneumatic shock absorbers but they didn't raise and lower the car. Westinghouse made them and I've seen them on other big cars of the period notably RR and the big American Fiat.

The air compressor was for pumping up the tires in the age when burst tubes were commonplace.

On my brothers 1917, the air shocks do raise the car. It is quite impressive as to the height it adds to tower over other cars during car shows. 

Stephen - your brother isn’t on here but now your sister-in-law is.  

The shocks absolutely raise and lower our 1917 Winton Six. And, while the air compressor may have been intended for the tires, it absolutely works to raise the shocks.

I joined today to try and find my information on my newly acquired 1896 Winton ladies bicycle. It came in from Bernie today.

- Sheila

SheSheWinSep 16, 2024

Stephen - your brother isn’t on here but now your sister-in-law is.  

The shocks absolutely raise and lower our 1917 Winton Six. And, while the air compressor may have been intended for the tires, it absolutely works to raise the shocks.

I joined today to try and find my information on my newly acquired 1896 Winton ladies bicycle. It came in from Bernie today.

- Sheila

Sheila,  please post a video when you ride that thing.

alsancleSep 17, 2024

Sheila,  please post a video when you ride that thing.

Will do! I’ve got to get some work done to it. Researching who to reach out to for that.

Three Wintons available on the HCCA website.  The first:

1912 Winton Touring. 7 passenger. Model 17-C. 48 HP. Six cylinders. 130” wheelbase. 125,000

  https://hcca.org/acadp_listings/1912-winton-touring-custom/

The Second:

1914 Winton Limo 125,000

https://hcca.org/acadp_listings/1914-winton-limo/

914 Winton Limousine. Model 20. Engine #15518. Only 1,030 made. Acquired by Roger Allison in 2006, HCCA / Winton World Wide member.  Measurements: 94” high, 67” wide, 198” long.

The Third:

1912 Winton Limo. 125,000

https://hcca.org/acadp_listings/1912-winton-limo/

912 Winton, Model 17-C, Open Drive Limousine. Engine # 12375. 100% original, ready to drive. The engine and mechanics have been completely gone through. Owned since 1964 by Roger Allison, HCCA / Winton World Wide member. Offers welcome.

John BloomJan 29, 2024

So I've been doing a little more research into Winton.  A fascinating story and it impresses me how successful they were in those early years of the start of automobile production.  A Cleveland Ohio Manufacturer, Winton, like others, segued from bicycle production into cars.  Winton claimed to have produced over 100 vehicles in 1899 making it the highest production auto manufacturing company in the US.  In addition to James Packard, the Vanderbilt family were early owners as well, buying two in 1901.  In 1902 Winton produced the Winton Bullet (of which there were eventually three made) and set an unofficial land speed record in the US of 70 mph in Cleveland that year.  

Winton Bullet #1 at Smithsonian Museum

Interestingly, the UrBullet, or 1901 Winton Heavy Racer, is at Larz Anderson in Brookline along with the Anderson’s 1899 Winton. This is, as far as we can tell, basically the same car Winton raced against the Ford Special at Grosse Pointe in 1901, the results of which enabled Ford to raise the funds to start what became the Ford Motor Company.

Note the steering wheel, which was also in place on the production 1901 Winston’s. It’s interesting to note that Packard claims the first steering wheel on a US production car with the 1901 Model C. My guess is that Packard is using the Winton design which either Winton gave them, as he did for Ford, or the design idea came along with Winston’s Chief Engineer, whom Packard hired away in 1899.

i found the original engineering drawings for the Model C in the Studebaker Archives and will be comparing them to the as built steering mechanism on the Winton Heavy Racer…should be interesting.

a Winton is listed in the available lots for RM Sotheby's January 24 auction in Arizona.  Just posting in case of any interest and to capture this car on the thread since there are good photos of it.  48 HP, 477 cu inch 6.

https://rmsothebys.com/auctions/az25/lots/r0067-1912-winton-model-17c-sevenpassenger-touring/

Oh how we would love to add this! It’ll go way above our price range. We have a 1917 and my brother-in-law has a 1921. I also have an 1896 Winton Ladies Bicycle that I got from Bernie Golias. - Sheila Winton 

SheSheWinDec 22, 2024

Oh how we would love to add this! It’ll go way above our price range. We have a 1917 and my brother-in-law has a 1921. I also have an 1896 Winton Ladies Bicycle that I got from Bernie Golias. - Sheila Winton 

You never know.  Thanks for sharing your family's Winton holdings with us.  

SheSheWinDec 22, 2024

Oh how we would love to add this! It’ll go way above our price range. We have a 1917 and my brother-in-law has a 1921. I also have an 1896 Winton Ladies Bicycle that I got from Bernie Golias. - Sheila Winton 

Bernie used to be a regular here. Tell him to come back.

John BloomJan 27, 2024

I don't believe we have a thread on the Winton make.  I have had the fortune to see an early Winton in a collection and it is just a fabulous car with size and presence.  Most of you may know story of James Packard buying a Winton from the founder Alexander Winton.  It was August 13, 1898.  It was the 12th Winton to be produced.  James misgivings and disappointment in the car provoked him to return to Alexander Winton and express the shortcomings he felt the car had.  Too which Mr Winton uttered the phrase "If you think you can do better, than do so"....hence Packard was born a year later.  

Lots of stuff on here about Packards, I want to learn more about Winton.  A 1917 Winton was 3,500 dollar car, riding on a 138 in WB with a 524.8 cu inch Six.  Tires were 37 x 5.  This was a big car to rival the size of Locomobile, Pierce Arrow, McFarlan, Cunningham, and other offerings of that era.  

Who on the forum has had one or had experiences with them and would share their thoughts/impressions?  

The Scottsdale Auctions had one that was listed a few weeks ago so I was following it.  1922 Winton Model 40 Seven-Passenger Touring.

It sold pretty modestly I thought (40,320). see below.  

https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/29260/lot/82/1922-winton-model-40-seven-passenger-touring-engine-no-3312/

My brother-in-law actually owns this one.

jeff_aApr 26, 2024

I saw a nice 1917 Winton for sale on PreWarCars recently. No idea where it was located or the price. Could almost be the one on the Dennis The Menace episode, though wrong year. Bernie Golias would know about this one, probably.

Everybody's been to the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in Wetaskiwin I mentioned in my last post, right?. If not, they're just on the fringes of antique car collecting.  

Centrally located, halfway between the Fountainhead Museum and the Gilmore Car Museum, and right on the same four-lane highway(I-15) that goes through Las Vegas ( just 1,427 miles north ). 

Seriously, Stan Reynolds had a huge car collection, perhaps a thousand vehicles, and he set about preserving much of it much more successfully than a lot of collectors. He went to the government and said why don't you give me 20 million and build a state of the art museum and I'll give you your choice of my cars (and trucks and tractors and aircraft)...then the province of Alberta will have a visitor attraction between its two largest cities and the bulk of my collection won't disappear when I die.* Like lots of the Bill Harrah Collection; the 140-car Mullin Automotive Museum; the Tupelo, Mississippi collection of Frank Spain's; and the Hostetler Hudson collection in Indiana.

* I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it. The province was flying high in petro-dollars and the money was there.

This one is the one my hubs and I purchased. (And then I actually have a 1896 Winton Ladies Bicycle myself, purchased from Bernie).

SheSheWinMar 21, 2025

This one is the one my hubs and I purchased. (And then I actually have a 1896 Winton Ladies Bicycle myself, purchased from Bernie).

Thanks for jumping in and letting us know of your families involvement with the Winton make. Don’t hold back and share as much about the cars as you would like. I think you’d find a very interested crowd here on what your experiences have been. 

_ _ _ Great to hear about the Maroon 1917 Winton getting a new owner.

_ _ _ Here's a Winton from their earliest days. Imagine running London-to-Brighton in this!

1898 Winton Delivery Wagon. Source - justacarguy.blogspot.com

SheSheWinMar 21, 2025

This one is the one my hubs and I purchased. (And then I actually have a 1896 Winton Ladies Bicycle myself, purchased from Bernie).

We haven't heard from Bernie in a while. Is he okay?

Bernie's in the middle of a move to Arizona. He's doing well, probably just busy with the move.

Just posting for awareness and to capture content and photos of the Winton Make. This one is listed on PreWarCar.com. The contact person looks like our friend here on the Forum: Motoringicons. I did reach out to him before posting to make sure he was comfortable with me linking this great car here for viewing, awareness and enjoyment.

I continue to be impressed with the Winton Automobile.

https://www.prewarcar.com/697316-1912-winton-model-17-c-touring

1912 Winton Model 17C Touring

Serial Number 11944

This is a great example of a 1912 Winton Model 17C Touring. It is powered by its six-cylinder, 457CID/48 horsepower engine that is powerful, well-balanced and smooth. A very impressive, large car with its 130" wheelbase. It is in excellent, restored condition that was undoubtedly a fine original car. It displays several unique and often discarded Winton features, including the dash fuel system and air powered self-starting system.

The original skinned coach work is in excellent and original condition. The body has all the trademark Winton details such as the combination vents/cowl lights along with the distinctive Winton wood-framed windshield. Winton's skinned wood bodies were known for their light weight – always a design priority of the Winton Six. The upholstery is expertly done and authentic. The brass shows very well and the rear trunk holds ample touring provisions. The gauges and controls are correct. The dual spare tires include a circular trunk.

This Winton was purchased as a partnership in the 1980s by the well-known Michigan brass car collectors of Jack Skaff and Dick Shaw. Shaw purchased Jack's share in 2004.

Today, this 1912 Winton remains in excellent condition. While it is an older restoration, the car has been well maintained and it has been upgraded during the ownerships. For touring, the car has been fitted with a Henshal distributor, a later carburetor, 12-volt system and an upgraded starter assembly. It runs well and the car shifts easily as one would expect from a Winton. There are tonneau covers for the folded top and for the front and rear seats. The car has been well traveled on tours to include Glidden, HCCA as well as the VMCCA Gas and Brass tours. Being a 1912, it is acceptable for all of the brass events.

Included with the car has a reproduction aluminum crank case and transmission case, in case you may ever need one. Also included is a book of photos of the restoration.

A great and properly equipped car for long tours. A true touring go-er.

Reasonably priced at 225,000.00 USD but will consider a close offer. The car is located near Detroit, Michigan.

Please call me to discuss at 734-730-4274 or to request more photographs. Email: motoringicons@hotmai.com

Yes, it is a great, correct car and a very welcomed tour car. It's a smooth locomotive. Call me at 734-730-4274 or email directly at motoringicons@hotmail.com Thanks!

I just acquired a personal photo album of Hubert Roberts who was a Pacific coast sales executive for Winton before going to Jeffrey and later Hupp. This is the only Winton thread I saw so I thought I’d post some of the photos here.

Do any of this torpedo style roadster still exist? Another photo with the same woman says that she was an actress.

John BloomJan 27, 2024

Most of you may know story of James Packard buying a Winton from the founder Alexander Winton.  It was August 13, 1898.  It was the 12th Winton to be produced.

The car that Packard bought was likely very similar to this car, written up in Scientific American a few months earlier.

Hupp31Dec 18, 2025

These photos are way too cool to not share. I wish there were a Winton club to give copies to because I’m sure that some of them don’t exist elsewhere. There are quite a few spanning about 1907-1915 when Roberts was working for the company. Many of them are customer delivery photos similar to those above but there are also some shots of dealers and an auto show display. I’ll continue to post them. Christmas came early this year.

The HCCA has the "Worldwide Wintons Registry" group. You should contact Mike Yaekel, president. He's in the Pacific Northwest, not far from Seattle.

Peter

PFindlayDec 18, 2025

The HCCA has the "Worldwide Wintons Registry" group. You should contact Mike Yaekel, president. He's in the Pacific Northwest, not far from Seattle.

Peter

Thanks. I’ll have to look into that.

1906 lozierDec 21, 2025

when you talked with Mike, did you mention that you have the pictures from Spokane also? he has a '14 that has 7500 miles on it that was sold new in Spokane.

Harold III

Yes, I also sent him a few of the photos. It would be incredible if there was a connection between his car and the photos. I suppose stranger things have happened.

Sharpened up a few for a better look. I really like this roadster.

More from Butte and Billings, MT

Here are some of the earlier photos from 1908-1910 in Portland, OR. Including photos of watching the first airplane flight in Portland by Charles Hamilton. Is that a White parked next to the Winton?

Photos from 1909-1910 in Great Falls, MT as well as Grants Pass and Medford, OR

Several photos with Florence Roberts who was then a stage/Broadway actress and would-be film actress later on. I really like the limousine. It’s the only closed car in all of these photos. Is that an exhaust whistle on the running board of the touring car?

Here are some improved photos from Portland circa 1912. The doctor driving this first car bears an uncanny resemblance to Kris Kristofferson. And if that’s not his daughter sitting next to him, I’d like to know his secret.

A couple from the Oregon Taxi Co.

A few more from Portland 1913-1914

I saved the best for last. 1914 auto show photo and two photos of Hubert Roberts’ own 1913 runabout, complete with his initials monogrammed on the fuel tank. Photos labeled “My First Car”. What a rarity that car would be today.

Enjoy